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Old 11-08-07, 10:47   #26
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I want to chase the N/a highcomp manual record. haha! just to be diff from you bas!

Ill be sourcing a new turbo / injectors soon as its slapped together..

E-Z how much was your turbz?
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Old 11-08-07, 11:01   #27
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looks like methonal is the way to go for the high comp setups.

lol bogz thats alright man, what turbo you llooking at getting?

i think im gonna be getting a packege from kyle soon, just give me a couple of months for saving, then ill see what turbo i want, but i want a big fcuker at that.

for now ill stick with mine and hopefully crack a good 12 second pass
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Old 11-08-07, 11:06   #28
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I dont know yet, im getting a r33 box asap. and lsd center! Do you still have that one?
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Old 11-08-07, 11:08   #29
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I helped john (304CID) with some of the component selection on his 10 sec calais. The car had little more than a standard rebuild including the stock NA oil pump(higly unrecommended!!), pistons rods and crank. It had no port work as far as I know, just a tighe cam, valve springs, head studs and a .073" cometic head gasket, the turbo side was a old school plain bearing HKS T51R(no not their new looking ones, think 90's style TA45) on one of my manifolds.

The car made 315-330rwkw from memory and run a 10.87 on its second outing on avgas. I believe it ran low 11's on straight pump, but he never pushed the setup too hard as he always intended to sell it. Rajab racing built a car years ago that was in zoom that had stock NA pistons and rods in it that went 9.9, so I'd say you'll have to beat that time for the record.

High compression is ok to a point, but anywhere in the 9's and your asking for trouble on pump fuel. Where high comp is starting to get common place in big hp engines is running C16 and the like where the octane of the fuel can support the detonation threshold of the compression and boost your running. Forget trying to run 10's on pump fuel with stock NA compression. Unless you have spares, or like rebuilding often

For the record, Cometic make multi layer steel gaskets for the RB30, their .073" head gasket gives roughly 8.6:1 comp, which I recommend as the best all round compression for both pump and race fuels, and they have a 3mm head gasket which drops it to the factory 7.8:1 compression. Both work equally well as a decompression measure AND a head gasket, no more dodgy blow outs with spacer plates and the like.

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Old 11-08-07, 14:49   #30
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what constitutes high comp? Anything over 8.0? 8.5?
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above 8.5 id say.

but really talking bout the na compression, not sure if its 9.0:1 ?
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Old 12-08-07, 09:50   #32
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9.0:1 is stock non-turbo compression
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I will be running an NA with cam, ported head, GT35/40 & a 3300 stall on LPG.
Although I may cheat later on adding a cometic multi layer head gasket
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Old 12-08-07, 12:06   #34
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I still dont know of anyone who has made more than my na ****ter!
338rwkw unopened na bottom end with 200,000+ km on the clock and i still run a standard ecu and injectors. The methanol does help through the other 6 injectors welded into the bottom of the inlet runners!
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Old 12-08-07, 12:22   #35
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I still dont know of anyone who has made more than my na ****ter!
338rwkw unopened na bottom end with 200,000+ km on the clock and i still run a standard ecu and injectors. The methanol does help through the other 6 injectors welded into the bottom of the inlet runners!

what cam/plenum/exhuast manifold/turbo you running,

damn impressive, u ran it down the qtr yet?
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I has a couple of things done to it, runs a 1147c wade cam,the head has been ported, valve spring, ****ty ebay t70 turbo with a crappy manifold and waste gate. i had a inlet manifold made and it very similar to the rajab cast one. I run a acl 3 layer stainless head gasket and there is a set of ARP head studs holding it together.

I did run it down a calder a few months ago on street tyres. Ran a 13.3 at 120mph, i didn't really get any traction till i threw it into 4th gear. I was sort of happy with the mph considering the traction problems.

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I has a couple of things done to it, runs a 1147c wade cam,the head has been ported, valve spring, ****ty ebay t70 turbo with a crappy manifold and waste gate. i had a inlet manifold made and it very similar to the rajab cast one. I run a acl 3 layer stainless head gasket and there is a set of ARP head studs holding it together.

I did run it down a calder a few months ago on street tyres. Ran a 14.3 at 120mph, i didn't really get any traction till i threw it into 4th gear. I was sort of happy with the mph considering the traction problems.

very impressive man, sounds tuff as.

one thing, you got a 3 layer stainless gasket, so that defeats the purpose of high comp, as that will lower it to standard turbo compression wouldnt it.?


also, dont the standard injectors at the very max go to about 220rwkw?
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Old 12-08-07, 15:12   #38
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lol ill be staying tuned.

so your bottom end is stock, and hasnt had a freshen up or anything?

what times you looking at.

just that i think we are both chasing the same goal, quickest high comp




damn lol.

morgz bro, whats the go with your mates bottom end? whats been done, dont have to go too much into detail, just what pistons he using?
bahahaha... sorry, but all this talk about smashing records and you guys havent even got turbos yet... those that do it dont talk it up, those that talk it up never do it... now that you kids are seeing Maatouks smashing records with N/A conversions and manuals you think you can contend? haha, takes a bloody good drivers to steer the beast too...

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Hey Bas, My mate's car has stock N/a internals and is running a decomp plate and his cal's T3/4 see's 19 pound everyday.

Ultimately low 12 to high 11's!
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bahahaha... sorry, but all this talk about smashing records and you guys havent even got turbos yet... those that do it dont talk it up, those that talk it up never do it... now that you kids are seeing Maatouks smashing records with N/A conversions and manuals you think you can contend? haha, takes a bloody good drivers to steer the beast too...

your point being?

is it a bad thing to have a goal that one wants to set for their car?
are we not aloud to contend with the top guns?
and did i say im gonna be breaking records anytime soon or even later for that matter.


its just a goal, so i think you need to quiet down a little mate.

back on topic please, thread was going good till now.
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Old 12-08-07, 20:18   #41
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Are you talking about static or dynamic comp?
with a correct tune, and modifications to the combustion chamber, an extremely high boost/compression can be had, without detonation

they are boosting ls1's with turboes, twins, and chargers, all with standard internals (so 10:1+ comp)
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very impressive man, sounds tuff as.

one thing, you got a 3 layer stainless gasket, so that defeats the purpose of high comp, as that will lower it to standard turbo compression wouldnt it.?


also, dont the standard injectors at the very max go to about 220rwkw?
yeah they do..

the car your talking about runs 12 tho.. 2 for each cylinder, 1 for unleaded 1 for metho.
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yeah they do..

the car your talking about runs 12 tho.. 2 for each cylinder, 1 for unleaded 1 for metho.

ohhh i understand now, is that really benificial, or is it just better to go the bigger injectors?
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I has a couple of things done to it, runs a 1147c wade cam,the head has been ported, valve spring, ****ty ebay t70 turbo with a crappy manifold and waste gate. i had a inlet manifold made and it very similar to the rajab cast one. I run a acl 3 layer stainless head gasket and there is a set of ARP head studs holding it together.

I did run it down a calder a few months ago on street tyres. Ran a 14.3 at 120mph, i didn't really get any traction till i threw it into 4th gear. I was sort of happy with the mph considering the traction problems.

If you made 338 kw im sure you could of scraped a 12.... Got some proof ie dyno sheet?
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bahahaha... sorry, but all this talk about smashing records and you guys havent even got turbos yet... those that do it dont talk it up, those that talk it up never do it... now that you kids are seeing Maatouks smashing records with N/A conversions and manuals you think you can contend? haha, takes a bloody good drivers to steer the beast too...
What n/a records have maatouks suddenly smashed????
have they run quicker than 9.9 on a unopened na motor?
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What n/a records have maatouks suddenly smashed????
have they run quicker than 9.9 on a unopened na motor?

Yeah I think not, he just got rolled hard. If not im in trouble.
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Old 12-08-07, 22:06   #47
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my mate is currently building his vl
180k's standard N/a RB30 bottom end
N/A auto (shift kitted) 3200 stall,tranny cooler
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he's hoping to see into the 250-300rkws zone
he wants to know if its a big ask from it but personally i think it should be fine considering all the other ppl that have done it
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haha, very soon curtis, i feel a 12second coming along
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if using a gasket that lowers compression to ~8.5:1, is it better to keep the na pistons, or put in turbo pistons?
would gasket hold ok with that compression, don't want to take off head again and again.

also are turbo engines slow off boost?, i am used to my vlt high compression engine
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