Calais Turbo

HTURBO · 27-03-13, 01:28

Just wondering do differentials wear out. The calais turbo is doing single peggers LOL. Does it need to be reconditioned or can you adjust it. Can you change the oil to help. Any help would be much appreciated.

5spdvl · 27-03-13, 09:16

Yes mate, diffs do wear out, especially the OEM diffs. Clutch cones eventually wear down, making them single. Oil won't help much. You can get them rebuilt, and shimmed tighter, but at the end of the day they're a pretty crap LSD.

HTURBO · 29-03-13, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5spdvl

Yes mate, diffs do wear out, especially the OEM diffs. Clutch cones eventually wear down, making them single. Oil won't help much. You can get them rebuilt, and shimmed tighter, but at the end of the day they're a pretty crap LSD.

Wicked, thanks 5spdvl

Be-Hating · 31-05-13, 09:55

Hey. Read through the aritcle but still unsure. I have a mate who has a 3.9 ratio lsd diff thats out of a vr. Currently the whole diff is bolted in his vl wagon. Question is if i take the 3.9 centre out will it fit in my vl diff using my vl axles given they're both 28 spline?

5spdvl · 31-05-13, 10:21

Centre - yes. Housing - no.

Be-Hating · 31-05-13, 10:44

Yeah. I just needed to know because I wanna use vr 3.9 lsd centre in my vl housing and use my vl axles.

Be-Hating · 03-06-13, 08:51

Just another question. If i put the 3.9 ratio centre in my diff that currently has 3.45's will i have to change the 3.45 pinion shaft over with the 3.9 one?

5spdvl · 03-06-13, 10:56

Yes. A gearset is made of the ring gear and pinion gear, which are a matched set.

Be-Hating · 03-06-13, 12:00

Ok. cheers man!

dinch · 03-06-13, 16:41

Ok pplz where can I source some 4.11 from for cheap any help appreciated
Don't want em for free but don't wanna pay $600 either
Thanks

5LEEPR · 26-09-13, 17:25

G'day people.

I am currently onto a seller from Street and Strip gears in Melbourne and am bout to purchase some gears for my vl.

I was under the impression that vl's ran the 78 series BW.
They are telling me that they are 75 series BW and are quite sure.

I know this thread states on the very first page that they are 78 series but i just want to make sure and find out if it is possible to run 75's in a 78?

I need an answer from someone experienced!

There are way too many contradicting threads in here.

Cheers,

Steve

5spdvl · 28-09-13, 21:01

Borg Warner 78 series, and nothing else. I'd suggest the person you spoke to is new/doesn't know what they're talking about, because S&S are pretty good.

4.11:1 gearsets came in the Pintara. Read the thread. Where do you usually get old car parts from?

gold-vlt · 07-10-13, 09:24

Does anyone here know what kind of power you can put through a standard spec vl turbo diff with 3.45 gears, using a manual gearbox, without risking any breakage or twisting axles?? I had my wagon diff rebuilt with a std lsd and 28 spline axles and i'm looking at putting about 500-550hp though it. I'm considering selling up now and building something stronger to handle more power.

3lturbo · 07-10-13, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold-vlt

Does anyone here know what kind of power you can put through a standard spec vl turbo diff with 3.45 gears, using a manual gearbox, without risking any breakage or twisting axles?? I had my wagon diff rebuilt with a std lsd and 28 spline axles and i'm looking at putting about 500-550hp though it. I'm considering selling up now and building something stronger to handle more power.

500hp will be sweet, but i if you build a tougher diff now you wont have to worry about it later on. I've got a mate running around 600rwhp on a mild tune, and it's still going strong after a lot of abuse.

gold-vlt · 07-10-13, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3lturbo

500hp will be sweet, but i if you build a tougher diff now you wont have to worry about it later on. I've got a mate running around 600rwhp on a mild tune, and it's still going strong after a lot of abuse.

Yeah, that's what i'm thinking of doing. Otherwise I could be destroying a perfectly good diff that could be of use to someone else.

I had the housing and backing plates on it sandblasted and powdercoated satin black, used vlt axles with brand new bearings, brand new pinion and carrier bearings, mint 3.45 gears and low k lsd installed. rebuilt calipers, new discs, braided lines. None of it used yet.

Not sure what I could sell it for. I'm tossing up whether to transfer all the internals into my sedan's diff and then rebuild the wagon bw 78 with 3.7's, kaaz lsd and 31 spline axles or go all out and build a 9" for it. Possibly go mini tubs at the same time

5spdvl · 09-10-13, 16:32

Up to $1000.

EVLRB30 · 09-10-13, 18:43

Does any one know of any aftermarket gears for the 78 series or atleast something stronger than the std gears,

5spdvl · 09-10-13, 20:58

I've only ever been able to find new standard sets, but that was at least 3 years ago. You could get a set made out of a stronger material, but it'd be expensive (unless you organised a group buy).

EVLRB30 · 09-10-13, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5spdvl

I've only ever been able to find new standard sets, but that was at least 3 years ago. You could get a set made out of a stronger material, but it'd be expensive (unless you organised a group buy).

Yeah you can still by new sets but the price is redicilous, I don't know why no one makes them because there is a market for them,

Bt1Cal · 09-10-13, 22:09

Just a question.. does anyone know if there is such thing as a 25 spline 4 pinion LSD that came out in the 78 series? either in commodores or fords etc?

gold-vlt · 09-10-13, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bt1Cal

Just a question.. does anyone know if there is such thing as a 25 spline 4 pinion LSD that came out in the 78 series? either in commodores or fords etc?

Yeah na calais's and berlina's had them where optioned I think. should be on the first pages of this thread.

5spdvl · 10-10-13, 07:03

It is, have a read.

And yes, there would be a market. They were $660 new a few years back.

morhiusvz · 15-08-14, 09:54

when swapping from disc 25 to 28 spline centre and axles,
Is it just a matter of unbolting the old and bolting in the new one?
not changing gearing or pinion.

MxPx VL · 15-08-14, 11:18

Even if your new centre has the same ratio ring gear, you have to make sure the gear tooth contact is correct and also the correct amount of backlash, also take note of the first post in this thread, the bearing cups are larger for the 28 spline axles.

Psi_Wagon · 13-07-15, 11:24

Heres some new info this thread could use, for anyone in the future who tries to do what i did.

VK Bw78 diff is the same width as the vl version, and will fit in no problem, BUT the axles are different. The centre of the diff sits about 20mm to the right compared the the VL diff.

Meaning the R/W axle from the vk is 20mm to short, and the left axle 20mm to long to fit into a vl housing.

Explanation:
i wrecked a vk a while back which had the borgwarner diff, which i kept because it was the first one ide seen

. Building a new diff for my vh, (which already has a vl housing in it) i removed the 28 spline minispooled centre and axles to use in another diff, and planned to use the guts of the vk bw diff.

Pulled that all down minispooled the 25 spline centre and fitted that in the vh, then tried to fit the axles and had a few wtf? moments until i pulled out the tape measure and compared the 2 housings and found the above ^^.

so knowing this, im not going to use the vk axles/housing as there no way ide be able to find replacements when i break them.... so looking for some vl axles now!

27-03-13, 01:28	#226
HTURBO Pushing Limits Join Date: 07-09-08 Location: VIC, Gippsland Car: 05 VZ HSV Clubsport R8 daily / VL calais turbo manual / 05 CRF450R Trader Rating: (3)	Just wondering do differentials wear out. The calais turbo is doing single peggers LOL. Does it need to be reconditioned or can you adjust it. Can you change the oil to help. Any help would be much appreciated. __________________ Sorry Sir, l'll stop drinking & Surfing

31-05-13, 09:55	#229
Be-Hating BANNED Join Date: 27-05-13 Location: Brisbane, South eastern. Car: Trader Rating: (0)	Hey. Read through the aritcle but still unsure. I have a mate who has a 3.9 ratio lsd diff thats out of a vr. Currently the whole diff is bolted in his vl wagon. Question is if i take the 3.9 centre out will it fit in my vl diff using my vl axles given they're both 28 spline? .

26-09-13, 17:25	#236
5LEEPR Player Join Date: 14-01-13 Location: NSW, Sydney, Eastern Suburbs Car: 6.0L VZ Calais Trader Rating: (0)	G'day people. I am currently onto a seller from Street and Strip gears in Melbourne and am bout to purchase some gears for my vl. I was under the impression that vl's ran the 78 series BW. They are telling me that they are 75 series BW and are quite sure. I know this thread states on the very first page that they are 78 series but i just want to make sure and find out if it is possible to run 75's in a 78? I need an answer from someone experienced! There are way too many contradicting threads in here. Cheers, Steve __________________ VL SL TURBO BUILD http://www.calaisturbo.com.au/showthread.php?t=265637

27-03-13, 09:16	#227
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	Yes mate, diffs do wear out, especially the OEM diffs. Clutch cones eventually wear down, making them single. Oil won't help much. You can get them rebuilt, and shimmed tighter, but at the end of the day they're a pretty crap LSD.

31-05-13, 10:21	#230
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	Centre - yes. Housing - no.

31-05-13, 10:44	#231
Be-Hating BANNED Join Date: 27-05-13 Location: Brisbane, South eastern. Car: Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah. I just needed to know because I wanna use vr 3.9 lsd centre in my vl housing and use my vl axles.

03-06-13, 08:51	#232
Be-Hating BANNED Join Date: 27-05-13 Location: Brisbane, South eastern. Car: Trader Rating: (0)	Just another question. If i put the 3.9 ratio centre in my diff that currently has 3.45's will i have to change the 3.45 pinion shaft over with the 3.9 one?

03-06-13, 10:56	#233
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	Yes. A gearset is made of the ring gear and pinion gear, which are a matched set.

03-06-13, 12:00	#234
Be-Hating BANNED Join Date: 27-05-13 Location: Brisbane, South eastern. Car: Trader Rating: (0)	Ok. cheers man!

03-06-13, 16:41	#235
dinch Player Join Date: 21-12-09 Location: Sydney, West side Car: BLACK CALAIS TURBO Trader Rating: (0)	Ok pplz where can I source some 4.11 from for cheap any help appreciated Don't want em for free but don't wanna pay $600 either Thanks

28-09-13, 21:01	#237
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	Borg Warner 78 series, and nothing else. I'd suggest the person you spoke to is new/doesn't know what they're talking about, because S&S are pretty good. 4.11:1 gearsets came in the Pintara. Read the thread. Where do you usually get old car parts from?

07-10-13, 09:24	#238
gold-vlt Player Join Date: 20-11-10 Location: Brisbane, Qld Car: fg xr6t daily, 88 vl series 200, 86 vl executive wagon, e46 323i Trader Rating: (7)	Does anyone here know what kind of power you can put through a standard spec vl turbo diff with 3.45 gears, using a manual gearbox, without risking any breakage or twisting axles?? I had my wagon diff rebuilt with a std lsd and 28 spline axles and i'm looking at putting about 500-550hp though it. I'm considering selling up now and building something stronger to handle more power.

09-10-13, 16:32	#241
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	Up to $1000.

09-10-13, 18:43	#242
EVLRB30 9.11@153.11 33psi Join Date: 29-01-09 Location: SA, country Car: Berlina turbo Trader Rating: (4)	Does any one know of any aftermarket gears for the 78 series or atleast something stronger than the std gears,

09-10-13, 20:58	#243
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	I've only ever been able to find new standard sets, but that was at least 3 years ago. You could get a set made out of a stronger material, but it'd be expensive (unless you organised a group buy).

09-10-13, 22:09	#245
Bt1Cal Official Member Join Date: 16-10-05 Location: Brisbane, bayside Car: s2 calais turbo Trader Rating: (2)	Just a question.. does anyone know if there is such thing as a 25 spline 4 pinion LSD that came out in the 78 series? either in commodores or fords etc?

10-10-13, 07:03	#247
5spdvl Aaaaaaand it's gone. Join Date: 29-07-07 Location: VIC, City Car: It used to be this Trader Rating: (22)	It is, have a read. And yes, there would be a market. They were $660 new a few years back.

15-08-14, 09:54	#248
morhiusvz Player Join Date: 29-01-12 Location: Brisbane, Bayside Car: Trader Rating: (0)	when swapping from disc 25 to 28 spline centre and axles, Is it just a matter of unbolting the old and bolting in the new one? not changing gearing or pinion.

13-07-15, 11:24	#250
Psi_Wagon Wagon > Sedan Join Date: 15-06-03 Location: Melbourne, North-West suburbs Car: 4x VL, VE, VH, 2x Mightyboy, '51 Ford F1, Volvo 240 Wagon drifter Trader Rating: (39)	Heres some new info this thread could use, for anyone in the future who tries to do what i did. VK Bw78 diff is the same width as the vl version, and will fit in no problem, BUT the axles are different. The centre of the diff sits about 20mm to the right compared the the VL diff. Meaning the R/W axle from the vk is 20mm to short, and the left axle 20mm to long to fit into a vl housing. Explanation: i wrecked a vk a while back which had the borgwarner diff, which i kept because it was the first one ide seen . Building a new diff for my vh, (which already has a vl housing in it) i removed the 28 spline minispooled centre and axles to use in another diff, and planned to use the guts of the vk bw diff. Pulled that all down minispooled the 25 spline centre and fitted that in the vh, then tried to fit the axles and had a few wtf? moments until i pulled out the tape measure and compared the 2 housings and found the above ^^. so knowing this, im not going to use the vk axles/housing as there no way ide be able to find replacements when i break them.... so looking for some vl axles now!